Paul Hellyer was Canadian Minister of Defense in 1960s, ruling over
the country's armed forces during the time of the Cold War – and when he
retired he publicly stated that we are not alone in the universe, and
some guests from outer space actually live here, on planet Earth. Is
this fantasy? Is someone actually watching us? Today we ask the man who
says UFOs are a serious business – Paul Hellyer.
Sophie Shevardnadze: Our guest today is the Honorable Paul Hellyer,
former minister of Defense of Canada, and he believes that life forms
from space are present on Earth. It’s great to have you on our show. Why
do you say that UFOs are as real as airplanes flying over our heads?
Paul Hellyer: Because I know that they are. As a matter of fact,
they’ve been visiting our planet for thousands of years and one of the
cases that would interest you most if you give me two or three minutes
to answer is that during the Cold War, 1961, there were about 50 UFOs in
formation flying south from Russia across Europe, and Supreme Allied
Command was very concerned and about ready to press the 'Panic' button
when they turned around and went back over the North Pole. They decided
to do an investigation and they investigated for 3 years and they
decided that, with absolute certainty, four species - at least – had
been visiting this planet for thousands of years. We have a long history
of UFOs and of course there has been a lot more activity in the last
few decades, since we invented the atomic bomb and they are very
concerned about that and the fact that we might use it again, and
because the Cosmos is a unity and it affects not just us but other
people in the Cosmos, they are very much afraid that we might be stupid
enough to start using atomic weapons again, and this would be very bad
for us and for them as well.
SS: No serious scientist has ever publicly confirmed evidence of an
encounter with extra-terrestrials – why would scientists not confirm the
facts if they exist?
PH: I'm afraid they must go out of their way not to find out. Even if
they do 10 percent of the amount of research I’ve done in the last 8
years they would be as convinced as I am. I mean, they could do it even
faster. Might take it a little longer, when they didn’t have military
background, but there are so many wonderful books that tell these
stories and they’ve been authenticated; the sightings have been
authenticated by more than one witness and also by radar, and they have
landed in various places around the world, including Russia. There’s
famous case there, I can’t remember the name of the place, but it was
widely reported at the time, a man wrote a book about it and then the
French bought the book rights so it wouldn’t be circulated around…
There’s just so much evidence, if anybody will take a time off to do a
little bit of research and study. Some people are interested and will
take the time, and the others just say “Oh, you know it’s just fantasy”.
Since I’ve been public on this subject I get probably three or four
emails a week from all over the world, from people who’ve actually
witnessed sightings, and some of them who’ve actually been on the ships,
and some of them who’ve actually been transported to another planet.
This information… it is top secret in a way that governments don’t talk
about it, but if you listen to whistleblowers and to the people who have
worked in the industry, and who know what is going on, there’s just a
lot of information out there and it doesn’t take very long to get your
hands on it.
SS: See, the problem is that some who report UFOs sightings and alien
abductions have been shown to make things up to be famous, to make money
– or just for a prank. How do we tell fiction from a fact?
PH: You have to spend a lot of time trying to find…we use to say
“separating wheat from the chaff”, and it takes a lot of effort. When I
was minister I got sighting reports and when we checked them out, about
80 percent, 8 out of 10, were not real, they were sights of Venus or of
plasma or a dozen other things, but there were 15 percent or 20 percent
for which there was no explanation and they were the genuine
unidentified flying objects. One of the conferences I went to… it was in
Las Vegas… was promoted by chap who had written a book about crashes
and there were dozens and dozens of them and many of them very-very well
authenticated, so it would be impossible to read of that evidence and
not come to the conclusion that these vehicles were real.
SS: Have you ever had your own encounter with aliens?
PH: Not encounter with aliens, no. I’ve seen a UFO, about 120 miles
north of Toronto, over Lake Muskoka, where I have a cottage. Two years
ago, at Thanksgiving, which is October, [my wife?] said that she wanted
to go out and look at the stars, so…I’m not much of a night man… but I
put on my cap and went out with her and she looked into the eastern sky
and said, “There’s a star” and I turned the other way and said, “Oh,
there’s a much brighter one over here” and she looked there and we
watched it until our necks almost broke for about 20 minutes, and it was
definitely a UFO because it could change position in the sky by three
or four degrees in three or four seconds. I checked out – there were no
satellites that could do that, a space station wasn’t going by and it
isn’t able to move that fast anyway and there was no other explanation
except that it was the real thing. Two days later I went down in the
dark, got a comfortable chair, and watched. It came back almost at the
same spot and entertained me for as long as I could take it. Then I went
back to the cottage but it was very interesting because it would drop
down in the sky and then it would roar back up and it would shift across
a few degrees and do a circle and come back at just an astronomical
speed, since you know they travel very-very fast.
SS: So does it just look like a falling star that falls really quickly and then rises again? What does it look like?
PH: Well, it looked just like a star.
SS: It looks just like a star?
PH: I don’t know if you personally have ever read the Bible or not but
I think the star of Bethlehem was one of God’s flying saucers.
SS: You also told me that people write you emails, three to five
emails a week, and they’ve actually been abducted or they had encounters
with aliens. Do they actually tell you what these aliens look like? I
mean, everyone’s interested – how would I know if I see an alien and he
abducts me?
PH: First question you have to ask is how many species are there? I
used to think there were between two and twelve. Apollo astronaut, Edgar
Mitchell, who came to Toronto a few years ago and had dinner with us
agreed there were something around two and twelve, but the latest
reports that I’ve been getting from various sources are that there are
about 80 different species and some of them look just like us and they
could walk down the street and you wouldn’t know if you walked past one.
They are what we call “Nordic blondes” and also the Tall Whites who
were actually working with the US air force in Nevada. They’re able to
get away with that, they had a couple of their ladies dressed as nuns go
into Las Vegas to shop and they weren’t detected. I have a friend who
saw one of the men walking along the street, he is somebody who can
recognize that they were different, and he did. Then there’s the Short
Grey’s as they are called, and they are the ones you see in most of the
cartoons, they have very-very slim arms and legs, they are very short,
just a little over 5 feet, and they have a great big head and great big
brown eyes. But, there are different species and you have to know that
they are different species and know that they all are different. If you
saw the Short Greys you’d certainly know there’s something up that
you’ve never seen before, but if you saw one of the Nordic Blondes,
you’d probably say “Oh I wonder if she’s from Denmark or somewhere.”
SS: So these species that you are describing – are they all different
in terms of nice and mean? Are some of them nice and benevolent and
others nasty, how are they? Are they good to people on Earth or are they
here to harm them?
PH: It’s a difficult question to answer, because they have different
agendas and maybe all of us on Earth should have the same agenda, but
you couldn’t say, maybe, that Russia and China and the US all had the
same agenda at every turn, because they don’t. I would say that nearly
all are benign and benevolent and they do want to help us, there may be
one or two species which do not. That’s one of the things I’m
investigating at the moment, to see who they are, what they are up to
and what their agendas really are.
SS: These extraterrestrial creatures – where did they come from and how did they get here, to Earth?
PH: They come from various places. For a long while I only knew about
ones who came from different star systems – the Pleadis, Zeta Reticuli
and several other star systems…but in the past few months I have met
[those] who made me aware that there are some in our star system, and
that there are actually extraterrestrials who live on a planet called
Andromedia, which is one of the moons of Saturn and that there are
others on Venus and some on Mars and that they may be interacting
between themselves – I suspect that they are because there is what is
called a “Federation” of these people and they have rules. For example,
one of the rules is that they don’t interfere with our affairs unless
there are invited to – and that’s one of the reasons, probably, that we
haven’t seen more of them until very recently…
SS: But, what do you mean, there are lots of people who want to
interact with them, there are a lot of people who actually want to see
them and to know who they are. What, do they need a special invitation
to interact with us? What does it mean – “they don’t want to interfere
with our affairs”?
PH: They don’t want to tell us how to run our affairs, they have
accepted the fact that this is our planet, and that we have the right to
run it, but they are very-very concerned: they don’t think we are good
stewards of our planet, we’re clear cutting our forests, we’re polluting
our rivers and our lakes, and we’re dumping sewage in the oceans, and
we’re doing all sorts of things which are not what good stewards of
their homes should be doing. They don’t like that and they made it very
clear. As a matter of fact they have given us a warning.
SS: How?
PH: This has come from more than one source…
SS: How have they made it clear, what have they done?
PH: They have talked to people. One of the chaps I’ve talked with
about a month ago was interacting with them in 1974, he and his brother,
in Peru. They were taken to Andromedia, teleported. They were told what
people there think and that we’re really wrecking our planet and in
fact that something dreadful is going to happen to it if we don’t
smarten up and change our ways. We spend too much time fighting each
other, we spend too much money on military expenditures, and not enough
on feeding the poor and looking after the homeless and the sick, and
that we are polluting our waters and our air and that we’re playing
around with these exotic weapons, thermonuclear weapons and atomic
weapons, which have such devastating effects both on Earth and other
areas of Cosmos. They don’t like that and that’s the reason they would
like to work with us, to teach us better ways, but only, I think, with
our consent. They work through individuals; they try and pick out
individuals who won’t be frightened to death by them, because they can
get you quite afraid. One of the cases I’m familiar with was with the
Tall Whites in Nevada, where the US airman working with them was just
frightened to death of them, and one, Charles Hall, rescued the daughter
of one of the high-up people in the Tall White and as result became
very good friends with the mother, and as soon as they could trust each
other, they had a wonderful relationship. He wrote a book about it,
called “Millennial Hospitality” – it tells you how you go through these
stages, of being scared out of your wits, but then, when you establish a
trust and a working relationship –you can have the same kind of
relationship that you would have with someone here on Earth.
SS: But here’s what I’m thinking: if you are outing their presence,
which is clearly not what they want, since they are hiding, why aren’t
you afraid of repercussions? You are obviously stating that they are
here, among us, telling me all these species that exist…
PH: They are here among us and I’m not afraid because in most cases,
as far as technology is concerned, they are light years ahead of us, and
we have learned a lot of things from them. A lot of the things we use
today we got from them, you know – led lights and microchips and Kevlar
vests and all sorts things that we got from their technology and we
could get a lot more too, especially in the fields of medicine and
agriculture if we would go about it peacefully. But, I think, maybe some
of our people are more interested in getting the military technology,
and I think that’s wrong-headed, and that’s one of the things that we
are going to have to change, because we’re going to have to work
together, all of us, everywhere on the planet.
SS: You’ve mentioned military technology and swapping technologies and
barters in-between aliens and people in American government. I want to
ask you as a former minister of Defense of Canada – is interstellar war a
possibility? Should we be creating a Star Wars force to defend
ourselves from possible invasion or something like that?
PH: I think it’s a possibility, but it’s a possibility especially if
we shoot down every UFO that comes into our airspace without asking who
they are and what they want. Right from the beginning we started
scrambling planes, trying to shoot them down, but their technology was
superior enough that we weren’t able to get away with it, certainly not
for a long while. During that period of time they could have taken us
over without any trouble if they wanted to, so I think, rather than
developing our own Star Wars to protect ourselves against them, we
should work with the benign species that are of a vast majority and work
together, and rely largely on them, of course, and cooperate, so that
we would be contributing something at the same time; I don’t think
there’s any point in us developing a galactic force that would tempt us
to ride on our own and get into mischief, which is one of the things
that some of them are concerned about.
SS: What do you expect to happen if people start to believe in alien
existence on Earth? Things are definitely going to change: our lives
aren’t going to be the same anymore.
PH: I hope that’s the case. I am all for full disclosure, and I’m
going to push very hard for full disclosure in the book I’m writing, to
give some reasons for it, things that we really have to know and have a
right to know. Our future as a species, and here I mean all of the
species in the world, is potentially at risk if we don’t figure what’s
going on and work together to try and make life more amenable for all of
us, and to work with our neighbors from other planets as well.
SS: Still, I’m thinking to myself – if they’ve been here for such a
long time as you say, and they are interested in helping humanity, as
you say, why is our world such a mess? If you want help someone, you
just help someone, you don’t wait for that someone to invite you to help
that someone, no?
PH: I think parents sometime say to their children – “this is what you
should do”, but that doesn’t mean children are going to do it, does it?
The Cosmos is based on free choice. We’re given the option of making
mistakes, of making wrong choices, and I guess, what bothers some of us,
is that we’ve made too many wrong choices, and not enough right
choices. So we’re going to have to start switching our priorities and
stop spending so much time and effort on weapons to kill each other, or
to dominate each other, and spend a lot more time on how to help each
other to have a better life and a more just society, and life which is
healthier. When the healthcare is better and when the food distribution
is better and when the air is cleaner and water is cleaner and all of
those things that are waiting to be done, if we just get together and,
as we say, row in the right direction, in the same direction, it’s
possible, but it’s a tall order and so far we haven’t done it. My thesis
is that we have to do it, we have to start doing it right away.
SS: Thank you so much for this interesting interview and insight on
extraterrestrial life. That was Paul Hellyer, a former Canadian minister
of Defense, who says aliens exist and live among us on Earth. That's
all the time we have for today, I will see you in the next edition of
Sophie&Co.
